So, Who's to Blame? (Suzanne Forster)
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Tuesday, June 19, 2007
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Two weeks ago I wrote a blog on appearance discrimination, based on an Oprah show I’d seen on the same topic. It’s a social issue that pushes lots of buttons, and the comments I got were both thoughtful and thought-provoking. But one in particular has stayed with me since the blog was published. It raised some questions that I haven’t been able to answer, and that seemed reason enough to throw it out there for more discussion.
I mentioned in the blog that women are more likely to be the victims of appearance discrimination than men. I believe my exact words were “how we tend to focus on women as symbols of our need for physical perfection.” This provoked an interesting observation that came via a private email, and I wanted to share it here. Btw, I got permission to share the observation only, not the observer’s name. I think “he” might be a little worried about stirring up a hornets’ nest, so I promised to protect “his” identity, but I should probably say that “he” is someone I know well.
Anyway, here it is:
“One of my pet peeves is that women often complain about injustice as far as looks and appearance go, but for the most part they themselves are responsible for it. It is not men, usually, who produce the glamour mags, the shows about beauty and what is "good" and what is not. It’s women. Women have their own ideas of what is beautiful and they all but shove that down the throats of other women. It's true that men have played a part in this, but in today's world, I honestly believe women are far more responsible for this mess than men are.”
Hmmmm. My first reaction was no way. This is all about reproductive biology, isn’t it? With the female of the species gussying up and finding ways to attract the biggest, strongest male for mating purposes? Do women wear bustiers, stiletto heels, and thong underwear for other women? I’m just asking. Do they get Brazilian waxes? And is it really women who run the beauty contests? I do believe Donald Trump is in some way involved in the Miss Universe contest, is he not?
Okay, so possibly I’m a bit defensive on the subject. But once I got that out of my system, I had to admit that the emailer had an interesting point—and one that’s been made before. We’ve all heard that women dress for other women, and I think there is some truth to that, but only some. Besides, the standard of beauty I had in mind in my original blog wasn’t limited to how women dress. It was about preferred length of hair, body measurements, make up and grooming choices. It was about everything that defines a woman’s appearance today.
So, could it actually be women who set the impossibly high standard of beauty for other women? Well, I dunno, maybe, partly. I’m no expert but I think it is mostly women who publish and edit the glamour magazines. The movie, The Devil Wears Prada, comes to mind. It’s loosely based on Anna Wintour’s ongoing reign at American Vogue magazine and her role as a fashion arbiter. Wintour, and others like her, supposedly have as much to say about how women should look and dress as the couture designers do.
And I do think that women may be more critical of each other than men are of women, which btw was the premise of the original blog, i.e., that more discrimination occurs within groups than between groups. In this case, the women being one group, the men being another. On the Oprah show that started this topic, there were two African American guests, a mother and her son, who said that the relative darkness of their skin, compared to others of their race, had made them victims of considerable painful discrimination, but the discrimination had come from within the group, from members of their own race, not from other races. It would seem that we are very hard on those most like us, but I do wonder if it isn’t because we’re so acutely aware of our own flaws.
So, yes, women are probably complicit in their own appearance discrimination, but I’m not convinced it’s women who set the standard for female beauty. Or maybe there’s more than one standard at work here? For example, what about Playboy and Esquire and many of the other magazines aimed at men that feature women in various states of undress and airbrushed to perfection? Nobody can tell me they don’t play a role in shaping women’s concerns about men’s expectations for what a woman should look like. I know they did my concerns. Heck, I can remember thinking if that’s who these guys are fantasizing about what hope is there for me?
I was fifteen when I got my first look at a Playboy magazine, and I still bear the emotional scars. Don’t scoff now. None of us get out of this life without a few weird traumas, and Playboy was one of mine. I was at the neighbor’s, babysitting, and I came across a small stack of the magazines in a bathroom cabinet when I was looking for Neosporene for one of the kidlet’s boo boos. Once the kids were in bed, you can bet I went straight back to that cabinet and pored through those magazines. There are times I wish I hadn’t.
The problem was I matured physically incredibly late. Seriously, I didn’t get breasts until I was in my forties. So, you can imagine my horror when I realized what women were supposed to look like, based on what this magazine was telling me men secretly fantasized and dreamed about. No way would I ever come close. And no way did I ever come close. Who could? Victoria’s Secrets models? Puleeeze. Do those skinny, big-breasted (expletive deleted, but you know the plural word that starts with B I’d like to use) really exist in real life?
Well, yes, they do. And yes, they’re airbrushed, but there really are fabulous physical specimens of womanhood out there, and they are constant reminders that 99% of us do not measure up. As Anne Stuart posted yesterday in her brilliant blog, life ain’t fair. We don’t all have the equipment to be supermodels or Playboy centerfolds, this is true. But we do all have equipment, which includes any number of other things besides physical beauty—and will last a lot longer.
Brains, character, personality, charm, boldness and bravery. I could go on and on. Beauty really is fleeting and life is about so much more. At some point, life is about coming to terms with the looks we’re born with—and to my way of thinking, the quicker the better. So, what do you think, are women to blame for our impossible standards of beauty? Are we too critical of each other in that way? And how do you deal with your blessings, or lack of them, in the looks department?
Suz
I mentioned in the blog that women are more likely to be the victims of appearance discrimination than men. I believe my exact words were “how we tend to focus on women as symbols of our need for physical perfection.” This provoked an interesting observation that came via a private email, and I wanted to share it here. Btw, I got permission to share the observation only, not the observer’s name. I think “he” might be a little worried about stirring up a hornets’ nest, so I promised to protect “his” identity, but I should probably say that “he” is someone I know well.
Anyway, here it is:
“One of my pet peeves is that women often complain about injustice as far as looks and appearance go, but for the most part they themselves are responsible for it. It is not men, usually, who produce the glamour mags, the shows about beauty and what is "good" and what is not. It’s women. Women have their own ideas of what is beautiful and they all but shove that down the throats of other women. It's true that men have played a part in this, but in today's world, I honestly believe women are far more responsible for this mess than men are.”
Hmmmm. My first reaction was no way. This is all about reproductive biology, isn’t it? With the female of the species gussying up and finding ways to attract the biggest, strongest male for mating purposes? Do women wear bustiers, stiletto heels, and thong underwear for other women? I’m just asking. Do they get Brazilian waxes? And is it really women who run the beauty contests? I do believe Donald Trump is in some way involved in the Miss Universe contest, is he not?
Okay, so possibly I’m a bit defensive on the subject. But once I got that out of my system, I had to admit that the emailer had an interesting point—and one that’s been made before. We’ve all heard that women dress for other women, and I think there is some truth to that, but only some. Besides, the standard of beauty I had in mind in my original blog wasn’t limited to how women dress. It was about preferred length of hair, body measurements, make up and grooming choices. It was about everything that defines a woman’s appearance today.
So, could it actually be women who set the impossibly high standard of beauty for other women? Well, I dunno, maybe, partly. I’m no expert but I think it is mostly women who publish and edit the glamour magazines. The movie, The Devil Wears Prada, comes to mind. It’s loosely based on Anna Wintour’s ongoing reign at American Vogue magazine and her role as a fashion arbiter. Wintour, and others like her, supposedly have as much to say about how women should look and dress as the couture designers do.
And I do think that women may be more critical of each other than men are of women, which btw was the premise of the original blog, i.e., that more discrimination occurs within groups than between groups. In this case, the women being one group, the men being another. On the Oprah show that started this topic, there were two African American guests, a mother and her son, who said that the relative darkness of their skin, compared to others of their race, had made them victims of considerable painful discrimination, but the discrimination had come from within the group, from members of their own race, not from other races. It would seem that we are very hard on those most like us, but I do wonder if it isn’t because we’re so acutely aware of our own flaws.
So, yes, women are probably complicit in their own appearance discrimination, but I’m not convinced it’s women who set the standard for female beauty. Or maybe there’s more than one standard at work here? For example, what about Playboy and Esquire and many of the other magazines aimed at men that feature women in various states of undress and airbrushed to perfection? Nobody can tell me they don’t play a role in shaping women’s concerns about men’s expectations for what a woman should look like. I know they did my concerns. Heck, I can remember thinking if that’s who these guys are fantasizing about what hope is there for me?
I was fifteen when I got my first look at a Playboy magazine, and I still bear the emotional scars. Don’t scoff now. None of us get out of this life without a few weird traumas, and Playboy was one of mine. I was at the neighbor’s, babysitting, and I came across a small stack of the magazines in a bathroom cabinet when I was looking for Neosporene for one of the kidlet’s boo boos. Once the kids were in bed, you can bet I went straight back to that cabinet and pored through those magazines. There are times I wish I hadn’t.
The problem was I matured physically incredibly late. Seriously, I didn’t get breasts until I was in my forties. So, you can imagine my horror when I realized what women were supposed to look like, based on what this magazine was telling me men secretly fantasized and dreamed about. No way would I ever come close. And no way did I ever come close. Who could? Victoria’s Secrets models? Puleeeze. Do those skinny, big-breasted (expletive deleted, but you know the plural word that starts with B I’d like to use) really exist in real life?
Well, yes, they do. And yes, they’re airbrushed, but there really are fabulous physical specimens of womanhood out there, and they are constant reminders that 99% of us do not measure up. As Anne Stuart posted yesterday in her brilliant blog, life ain’t fair. We don’t all have the equipment to be supermodels or Playboy centerfolds, this is true. But we do all have equipment, which includes any number of other things besides physical beauty—and will last a lot longer.
Brains, character, personality, charm, boldness and bravery. I could go on and on. Beauty really is fleeting and life is about so much more. At some point, life is about coming to terms with the looks we’re born with—and to my way of thinking, the quicker the better. So, what do you think, are women to blame for our impossible standards of beauty? Are we too critical of each other in that way? And how do you deal with your blessings, or lack of them, in the looks department?
Suz
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9 Comments :
Yep, women are completely to blame for it, despite Playboy. To please a guy, a woman needs to do two things; show up naked and bring beer. They really don't care if there are a few extra pounds or if the boobs are big or small or the hair long or short. We are the ones who obsess about every wrinkle, gray hair, and jiggle. And men certainly haven't created the fad of being 6 foot 5 and weighing 90 pounds. That's on us.
I really do believe that.
I don't follow the pack. Older and wiser. I know I feel better when I'm in good shape, strong and toned, and I stay healthier when I stick to a solid exercise regimen, especially mentally healthier. But beyond that, I'm out to please no one but myself. ;;)
I don't know that we can place blame, but I believe that both genders are responsible. And I believe neither are. Some of our reactions, both male and female, are instinctive. Men don't learn to love naked women by looking at Playboy. They might see their first naked woman there, but the desire to see them would exist just as strongly without the magazine.
That said, those magazines certainly raise high expectations for the young men poring over them.
And what about the women who pose for them? They're setting standards for their fellow sisters that can't ever be met. Even by themselves because while they might have physical perfection for the moment, they're going to age, too. In spite of surgery and diets.
My own theory - and perhaps its all part of living in my romance fantasy land, but it's my story and I'm sticking to it - is that love, real love, takes care of this mess. When you meet someone you love, you seem them, their spirit, every single time you look at their body. And as you love that spirit, you love that body. It might be ten pounds overweight - or a hundred - and still you can't get enough of it.
The shadow side to that is that you first have to find that love. And in today's society, that's easier to do if you look good. So that you aren't over-looked.
Playboy is nothing Suzanne, if you want to be traumatized for life take a look at Hustler sometime, LOL.
Ann Temple
I heard somewhere that women dress to impress other women - not for men.
Suzanne,
I just posted in your group that I thought Prince William was so sensitive when he talked in his interview about how hard it is for a woman..even one as glam as his mother..who was attacked for any flaw by press who sat behind desks all day.
Someone said that women prefer undressing in front of men because other women are critical..and men are just grateful, lol I think Maggie Shayne's post says it all.
Mary
Great comments! I love them.
It occured to me after I wrote the blog that if we're discussing responsibility (which I agree is a better word than blame) we need to take a look at Madison Avenue, the advertisers and the industries that hire them.
I have long thought that these people don't just profit from our insecurities, they help create them. Very sophisticated psychological research goes into today's ad campaigns, and many of them are designed to make us believe we aren't okay as we are so we'll buy their product.
And none of us escape this bombardment unless we somehow manage to tune out the media, which is actually more invasive than ever now, IMO.
It's an interesting topic, but so very complex. I'm not sure I even scratched the surface, but again, I love the comments.
Suz
I blame women, for allowing it to happen. Everytime we look at another women and judge her and feel like we don't measure up. Most men could care less if there are a few extra pounds and they don't even know what cellulite is. They simply don't care that much.
Women tend to feel threatened and insecure around another women...I don't know if it is our innate nature to treat other women this way or it is a societal creation.
Interesting stuff here, but I think it goes back further than Playboy. When girls were little they heard fairy tales about the beautiful princess and the handsome prince, and God knows at age 5 most of us wanted to be princesses.
I think attitude is huge. If you feel gorgeous then people see you as gorgeous. If you see yourself as a schlump then that's how others see you.
So look in the mirror, tell yourself you're beautiful just as you are, and get on with it.
I think the emailer is correct except that glamour magazines try to make women define beauty as the editors think men define beauty. This is both in fashion and physical attributes. Also the magazines are in bed with the fashion industry whose only goal is to sell clothes at a high price to make money and a reputation. For those of us old enough to remember the Sack Dress, it certainly didn’t impress anyone outside the fashion/magazine industry. If a woman wore one, other women and men would laugh behind the wearer’s back. Still it was THE fashion. Rather than a fashion statement it was a statement of how women could be sucked into an inside industry joke.
I think women who dress to please themselves look better than trying to impress Blackwell or shallow suitors. Just because a fashion is IN does not make it look good on a particular woman.
As for men preferring women with big breasts, that is not always true. Some men prefer the opposite. It takes all kinds. Women who don’t feel they measure up shouldn’t be so critical of themselves. Low self esteem makes what they consider their faults more obvious. It is the same as when a person in making a speech errs in some way that doesn’t affect the conclusions the speaker is trying to make. If the speaker goes back and tries to correct that insignificant error it only calls attention to the mistake. I personally called attention to a shortcoming of my own only to have it held against me in someone else’s attempt to upset me.
Men who will only be satisfied with someone who meets their personal standards of perfection won’t meet their own standard.
I just saw evidence that even some advertisers are getting it. Slim Fast has a new commercial that says women should be only as thin as they want to be. “We want hips, not hip bones.” All the publicity about eating disorders is finally getting through the companies that enable it.
“Brains, character, personality, charm, boldness and bravery. I could go on and on. Beauty really is fleeting and life is about so much more. At some point, life is about coming to terms with the looks we’re born with—and to my way of thinking, the quicker the better…”
Your last paragraph is my personal idea of beauty. It is even the biblical idea of beauty.
Ray
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